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this is Ross coultart and you are

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast and a bit of a delayed breaking

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news podcast because at this point it's

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no longer breaking news but as I break

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down and I've got joining me for this um

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three quarters of Dan's head Dan welcome

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hi hi I'll sit back a little bit you can

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see the whole head uh in Vermont we only

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have three quarter heads so yeah you

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know it is what it is

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um Dan is there a noise in the

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background on your recording can you

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or is it the sound of a whistleblowing

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done ah see what I've done now this

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referee over here oh yeah that'll be it

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yeah um so lesson this is to talk about

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well The Whistleblower that is actually

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um apologies to Stephen Bassett who if

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he's listening to this is screaming that

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he's a witness but um like is this guy a

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whistleblower technicalities I know we

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get messages about this sometimes but

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yeah he is blowing the whistle because

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he's left yeah I guess he is and and you

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know the investigation's not complete so

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I would say in a loose ends he satisfies

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the term but again when I was making the

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thumbnail for this I put whistleblower

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On It originally and I was like Steve a

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little Steve bass on my shoulder yelling

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at me so yeah don't do it dad don't do

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it but anyway yeah so if you're unsure

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of what's been going on the last few

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days uh on Monday it seems like a long

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time ago Monday the 7th sucks very

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professional fifth of June

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um a bit of nowhere for most people uh

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including myself I didn't know it was

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coming

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um an article dropped on the debrief

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around midday UK I missed it for a

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couple of hours just busy with work uh

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but it certainly dropped the the cat

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amongst the pigeons uh at least where

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Leslie King and Ralph blumenfell New

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York Times journalist many folks will

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recognize her names previous guests on

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the show but that's not what they're

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best known by obviously and they are

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famously two-thirds of the trio along

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with Helene Cooper who broke the

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December 2017 New York Times article

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that everyone knows loves and or hates

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um they dropped a new article through

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the debrief run by Tim McMillan Micah

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basically with the first whistleblower

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on record but not just an anonymous

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source we have David grish former senior

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intelligence officer 36 years old I mean

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last year for me or a few months ago

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accomplished I feel like when I read

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about Taylor Swift as well 33 and all of

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her accomplishments and I'm just yeah

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and you feel like I've stayed in bed

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till 10. you know yeah and this guy has

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made a name for himself overnight

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worldwide so Dan essentially David gush

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has come forward and we're going to talk

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through the details of what's happened

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the last few days it's been a bit wild

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and we're doing this a little bit off

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the cuff with plenty of notes David

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grish has sat down in an interviewer

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Coulter we'll get to that as well and

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talked about how he knows the US

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government as in possession of retrieved

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non-human technology that's a craft

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impact craft and there's chat about

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bodies as well that's that's the big

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headline Grabber there isn't it yeah

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and that um there was allusions to

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interactions with these crafts that were

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and I quote David on this he said

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with them um trying to communicate that

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kind of thing so yeah there's quite a

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few big headlines there right in the

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claims yeah there's a lot and listen

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it's I've seen a lot of people say why

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isn't this bigger news than than what it

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is and I've seen other people say it's

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it's been received in too big a way for

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what it is so it's a fascinating

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interesting way to see something that

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many people have waited for for a long

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time still being received with that

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roller coaster depending on on where you

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sit on the UFO argument it's it made me

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think of um I mean you're you're a

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football fan so you'll know about this

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kind of thing when you know a penalty is

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given you can have thousands of people

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are looking exactly the same situation

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in service and in completely different

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ways even though you have the video in

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slow-mo yeah

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fortunately and this will only be

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relevant to a very small minority on the

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podcast listening my team didn't give

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away any penalties last year which

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caused a bit of a start done but that's

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for a whole other conversation and

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another time and if you enjoyed that

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comment then thank you for listening

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um that'll get a few messages I'm sure

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of it uh but yeah so David crush is a

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senior intelligence Community officer uh

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till I mean April as recent as April he

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was in the role in the job

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um he is essentially done a very similar

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thing to what Louis under done where

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he's come forward and talked about what

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he knows or knew about UFO's uaps to

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Leslie Ralph Ross cool top

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um the Ross culture interview sorry for

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jumping all over here but this is the

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way it's gonna came out Ross Coulter

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interview was recorded back in May

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very high ranking he basically delivered

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briefs to the president of the United

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States that was part of his job role he

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had access and this is important to

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hundreds of special access programs in

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the documents classified documents and

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this is where essentially he's if I'm

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getting this right then has has gathered

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the information that's led him to

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believe there is a UFO program highly

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compartmentalized really top secret but

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we have bits of craft a full craft

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bodies and like you say potentially

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interactions as well he has said and I

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think it's really fair to put this right

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up front he's not seen pictures or

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videos of any of this and it's just from

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seeing the documentation which he has

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also claimed he has given some

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documentation to Congress that he has

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managed to put this together so we're

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not getting photos we're not getting

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videos but we do have a whistleblower on

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record who's talking to Congress who's

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came out being interviewed that's that's

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a massive story regardless of of where

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it goes this is quite a big thing isn't

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it yeah 100 you know they're uh their

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legal consequences if David is lying

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about any of this we're talking you know

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ten thousand dollar fine we're talking

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um a lot of man hours have gone into

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investigating this from the Inspector

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ways of resources if he's not being

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fully honest here and just to add the

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part of the reason that he was privy to

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programs is because he was hired by the

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years ago you know when when Arrow was

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first streamed up before the days of

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amsog and ahead of the days of atip I'm

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2021 to 2022 so he was again obviously

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we know the task force was recent but it

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this is I think important to get across

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it this isn't someone coming out who was

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in one of these things 10 20 30 years

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ago this is like now this is the stuff

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of years this is one of the guys who

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said in the background you've done well

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to draw the parallel to Lou I think you

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know he this is a guy that was very very

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of saying this is what I was told this

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kind of say well if it's classified how

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can he speak about it

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um and as always DD Johnson and Tim

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McMillan are doing Stellar workout

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they're kind of explaining the the

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policies and things behind

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um and they basically point out you know

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unless he's talking about specific

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people that you was working next to

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there might be a separate NDA that he

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everything but we know that's what was

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covered in the ndaa that he was cleared

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to you know if he if anyone ever had

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signed a NDA so many acronyms

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um to not talk about these programs uh

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they they can talk about them this is

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the real room as long as they're not

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super specific in public they're fine

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the classified information has gone to

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the right people and Tim even in so

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debrief kind of going into background

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checks and things like that that they

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did behind this that are really

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extensive highly recommend people read

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uh David is who he says he is he did

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that's important there he has he has the

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guy he's not lying about his role no

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um and there were people who vouched for

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him that are both active and finishing

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statement in the middle of it and it's

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purposely vague because they can't say

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the names David can't share the names

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but this information is supposedly

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corroborated to people who are able to

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access this information I.E lawyers for

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the Committees and things like that

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um by people who are still active in the

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programs and we're not just talking Eric

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Davis that would be a singular person

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um and the usual folk that we'd see um

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we're talking new faces new people

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background check where Tim was

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explaining

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that the accusation is kind of

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that this program is so embedded in the

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government that essentially if you're

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working on UAP chances are you're

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working in a different special Access

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program and they've just given you a

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piece of material and said hey throw

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at this and then they'll get the data

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back and you know there's no defined

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easily findable UAP program it's all

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kind of scattered throughout all these

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other specialist programs that's just

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like when they're making a new iPhone

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and one company makes a part of it a

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different company makes another part of

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it another company makes a different

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part of it and they don't necessarily

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know on the production line they're

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working on the new iPhone 15. no they

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just know they're building a part of

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something for something and then they

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ship it off and someone else does the

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work on it

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um yeah yeah so when when we get you

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know Congress members saying oh we've

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not seen any evidence of this program

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cool according to the witness you

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wouldn't have yeah

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exactly yeah and it's similar again I

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know that was one of the big things is

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oh it's been approached by the dod so

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it's true that's I mean we've got to be

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fair here and with retry and be fair

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with that stuff I hope that comes across

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that we're not seeing because of David

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grisha's position and he's been allowed

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to come out that means it's

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automatically all true whether we

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believe it or not we'll get into but

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that's the same as that I've got the

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skin walker uh scan workers at the

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Pentagon book that was approved by the

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dod that isn't automatically proof that

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Dino beavers are real

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they probably are but you know it's it's

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just the fact is that they are allowed

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to put it out because it doesn't hurt

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National Security this guy coming out on

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TV and saying yes aliens are real

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essentially

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still there's no there's no proof or any

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damage to National Security from the

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point of view of he he still can't

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technically prove it on TV he's not

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holding up pictures of him kicking about

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S4 you know our Grim Lake saying here's

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me with one of the bodies or here's one

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yeah or he's not coming out and going

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here's my phone with the extended gimbal

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footage which I filmed on on yeah he's

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not doing that he's just saying I've

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seen it and he can't actually to the

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public prove that and he also said as

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much that there's certain things he

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can't go into which are classified

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um yeah yeah it's important what's

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important is though there's still more

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to come with this because he recorded

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Legacy with Ross kulthat and Bryce Sable

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who was there to observe uh back in May

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and he's recorded for a total of seven

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hours with Ross now that has aired in

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very small Snippets so far on news

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Nation uh the the news channel and the

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full thing should be going out is it

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this Sunday

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so we've kind of gotten in between so

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we've had the Snippets which are a

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teaser for a documentary going out this

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Sunday which will have more extensive

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interviews with him but once that is

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that's like an hour long the rights for

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the full seven hours of interviews and

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Ross has said he's dedicated to being

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able to share the full thing so with

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those seven hours as long as it will be

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are going to be well worth the time

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spent I'm sure we'll get a bunch of

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clips and things like that from it 8 000

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30 second Tech talks something like that

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yeah

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that will all come out and and Russell

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want to get that as well

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um so yeah so important so far David

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Griff senior Intel Community member has

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come forward active as recently as April

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uh has whistleblown for lack of a better

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term on the record that he knows given

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the documentation he was privy to the US

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government as in possession of retrieved

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non-human technology exotic technology

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stuff we know is essentially alien

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um being approved by the dod to do the

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interview and has had access to over 200

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200 saps special access programs as part

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of his role and gave daily briefings to

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the president cool so that's where we're

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up to if you hadn't heard that's where

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we're at if you had heard it that's

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hopefully a nice concise summary and no

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uncertain terms this whole instant is

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discussing non-human uh technology or

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non-human intelligence it's big because

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he's not minster's words it's literally

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he's coming out and saying this is what

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it is Ross kiltart um called a few

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things out on his interview and some of

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the first questions that came up was and

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we love the debrief uh with Tim McMillan

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Micah Hanks all the folks associated

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with the debrief yeah um can say Friends

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of the show friends of ours we speak to

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them regularly

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um

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that's still not the New York Times

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that's not you know the meal on Sunday

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that's not CNN it's not Fox it's not Sky

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News it's not BBC it's not Al Jazeera

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all these huge networks the debrief is

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is wonderful but it's still a niche site

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they got do you see how many Impressions

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they got done for the article well I

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remember the website crashed like

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multiple times throughout the day uh but

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go on how many hits per second well I I

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I didn't see that but I know it got 2.2

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million hits in a pretty short space of

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time I mean one good for them

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congratulations guys they work hard yeah

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that's you know that's that's up there

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with big breaking news stories around

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the world that major organizations have

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huge servers for that kind of stuff

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these these guys don't

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um so it was a big story and it makes it

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made a lot of people question why have

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the New York Times passed up on it why

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did the Washington Post pass up on it

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and I'll quote Ross kill talk to you

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gutless cowards that's my best

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Australian for the moment

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um and that is a direct quote um but he

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said that on is is uh need to know

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podcast with Bryce Abel I recommend and

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the likes will be in this description to

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go and check that out and to go and read

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the article this is their work this is

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their piece go and make sure you do that

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uh please because they deserve the

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credit for it

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um that New York Times and Washington

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Post essentially from what they've seen

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required more time before they would

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publish it they wanted to do it further

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vetting on the story but Leslie Kane and

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Ralph Blumenthal have since came out and

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said in a joint statement because it

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literally was the same word for word

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statement that it was they were they

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were under pressure uh have they said

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why yet no there's not been any

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Illusions that's the thing there's okay

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there's it's been said that the

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Whistleblower was pressuring them that

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they had to or David himself was

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pressuring them to kind of so I'll I've

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heard I've heard that that he was

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basically under that's yeah the why of

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it though

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um there's no real reason given you know

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he he's filed two hygiene complaints

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here

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anti-reprisal one

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um where he's trying to protect himself

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because some people are making starting

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to make his life uncomfortable so it

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could be to do with superior's pressure

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in him and things like that

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um but there was also a little thing

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that came up yesterday where Stephen

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gray came out saying that he'd be

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mentoring this guy and uh we got a

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statement through through uh you know

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some friends

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um from David where David basically said

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no you know I I haven't been mentored by

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Greer and so on so forth so part of me

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wonders did he feel pressured because he

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was going to be represented publicly by

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Stephen Greer and his story was going to

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be perhapsounded there that for a lot of

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people takes the wind out of you know

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its sales when when guia is presenting

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things so that could have played a part

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here as well yeah a lot of what I've

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said here Dan has been approved by

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Christopher Merlin himself and that

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that's not true but that is essentially

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uh what Stephen Greer tried to do with

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David Gersh

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um it sounds like because he very

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quickly distanced himself from that

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whole situation and we'll touch on that

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at the end because

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um Stephen just got an event coming up

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this weekend which still interesting

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timing nonetheless

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um coincidental or not uh but that that

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was announced a few weeks ago but yeah

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David grush very much seemed to get a

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little bit of pressure or a lot of

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pressure that the stigma might be

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reducing but the risks are still there

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for people you know I've not actually

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seen yet if David grush has a family

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um relatives if he is just you know kind

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of Lone Lone Ranger type guy out there

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on his own doing this but there are

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still risks and the people who and this

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goes for influence influencers or

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YouTubers or podcasters or journalists I

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I unwell with respect or watch who claim

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these people just need to come forward

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we deserve to know that that still those

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people that have the risks on this and

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they do have families and you know

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Futures and careers they think about

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when they're coming forward with this so

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it's not as easy as that still and I

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think David grush has at least been and

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I hate using the term brave but it is a

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brave thing to go forward just to talk

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about the UFO subject on any media

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platform like this but you certainly had

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the right people with Leslie Ralph and

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Ross leading the way to help him do that

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um

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sorry go on I I want you to expand on

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that a little bit more though

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um Ross cultart did say or need to know

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that there have still been terrible

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things done by people to protect their

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secret in the name of National Security

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and criminal charges must be brought

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onto individuals so that's again

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probably still some very recent things

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we've talked in the past Dan about going

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back 20 30 40 50 years you can't be

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pulling people in their 90s now who

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worked on programs back in the 60s to

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hide the Air Force and bringing criminal

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charges on them it's a waste of time

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it's pointless however

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if there are people losing their lives

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potentially in modern day because they

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threaten to come forward about this kind

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of stuff then that's that's a whole

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different story and that's potentially

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and this is just speculation we don't

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know but that's potentially what a David

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grisha's is risking here

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yeah 100

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um

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it's clear that he feels compelled to

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tell what he sees is the truth you know

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when I say that I don't mean to be like

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squirmy like Kirkpatrick I just mean

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he's sharing his experience so that it

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can be investigated which is what we

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want right we want Congress to

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investigate these things

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how that pans out we don't know until we

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get the report so as always with these

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things you know we like to say hold it

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lightly take it seriously

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um but this is a big step forward this

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is this is almost like if uh you know

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Eric Davis

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had uh you know been deposed by Wilson

548
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:08,460
and kind of got all those in that those

549
00:19:11,630 --> 00:19:09,600
bits of information you could almost

550
00:19:13,610 --> 00:19:11,640
look at this like a you know

551
00:19:15,650 --> 00:19:13,620
um the grush tapes or something like

552
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:15,660
that you know the garage ammo

553
00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:21,730
I like it

554
00:19:27,409 --> 00:19:25,799
but it this comes with weight you know

555
00:19:28,430 --> 00:19:27,419
um everyone involved in the due

556
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,440
diligence

557
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:30,720
um you know Leslie and Ralph did it but

558
00:19:34,010 --> 00:19:32,640
then Tim and the team at the debriefed

559
00:19:35,810 --> 00:19:34,020
kind of double and triple tracked

560
00:19:37,549 --> 00:19:35,820
everything that was being said to make

561
00:19:41,210 --> 00:19:37,559
sure these people are being represented

562
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:41,220
properly and it's not just you know

563
00:19:44,690 --> 00:19:42,720
David blowing the whistle here as well

564
00:19:46,430 --> 00:19:44,700
Jonathan gray which is a pseudonym for

565
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,440
someone still in government literally

566
00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:48,000
says in the article that it's no longer

567
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,860
necessary to deny that these Advanced

568
00:19:53,570 --> 00:19:51,600
Technologies derive from non-human

569
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,580
intelligence exist at all or to deny

570
00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:54,960
that these technologies have landed

571
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:56,460
crashed or fallen into the hands of

572
00:20:01,549 --> 00:19:59,039
human beings so that's an active service

573
00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:01,559
member working at nasek

574
00:20:05,450 --> 00:20:04,380
um telling us the same thing so it's a

575
00:20:07,250 --> 00:20:05,460
kind of it's getting to the point now

576
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,260
where it's smoke where there's smoke

577
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:09,360
this fire right uh we've kind of been

578
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:10,799
here for a while there's a lot of

579
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:13,200
fingers being pointed and for me this is

580
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:15,120
this is a sign that Congress again what

581
00:20:17,630 --> 00:20:16,320
they want out of that kind of

582
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:17,640
whistleblower protections they put in

583
00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:20,640
the India EAA this is a step forward

584
00:20:26,150 --> 00:20:23,580
it's not disclosure but it's another

585
00:20:27,950 --> 00:20:26,160
baby step forward right let me read a

586
00:20:29,450 --> 00:20:27,960
quote from Ross cool talk again from the

587
00:20:32,330 --> 00:20:29,460
need to know podcast from this week

588
00:20:34,010 --> 00:20:32,340
again go listen to it go watch it folks

589
00:20:36,409 --> 00:20:34,020
um this is the beginning of a very

590
00:20:38,930 --> 00:20:36,419
important moment in history not the

591
00:20:40,909 --> 00:20:38,940
moment but a moment it's a Tipping Point

592
00:20:42,830 --> 00:20:40,919
towards a slow moving in Mission from

593
00:20:45,230 --> 00:20:42,840
the US government about things that seem

594
00:20:47,570 --> 00:20:45,240
unimaginable and I think that's pretty

595
00:20:49,310 --> 00:20:47,580
much word for what any paraphrasing it

596
00:20:50,930 --> 00:20:49,320
shouldn't lose any meaning

597
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,940
um do you think that's right then

598
00:20:54,289 --> 00:20:52,320
because

599
00:20:56,210 --> 00:20:54,299
um if I look at this from all sides it's

600
00:20:58,190 --> 00:20:56,220
for me and I've I don't think we've

601
00:21:00,590 --> 00:20:58,200
totally expression opinions yet it's

602
00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:00,600
really exciting I think it's quite a big

603
00:21:05,090 --> 00:21:02,700
deal I'm surprised this has happened as

604
00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:05,100
quickly than Anonymous folks coming

605
00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:07,020
forward first

606
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,340
um

607
00:21:13,010 --> 00:21:10,559
I think where this could lead then we'll

608
00:21:15,770 --> 00:21:13,020
get back to this is is probably bigger

609
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:15,780
than the story itself because if David

610
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:18,480
grush has handed in documents classified

611
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:21,600
documents to Congress showing

612
00:21:26,270 --> 00:21:24,000
locations or programs people who work on

613
00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:26,280
programs what those programs where where

614
00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:28,260
they're located you know Congress can

615
00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:30,360
act on that and that can be the bigger

616
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,100
thing because suddenly they were looking

617
00:21:36,669 --> 00:21:34,320
for a needle in a haystack but what

618
00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:36,679
David grish me have done is chopped out

619
00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:39,960
95 of that Haystack I went look here

620
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:43,140
yeah 100 those NASA panelists should now

621
00:21:45,649 --> 00:21:44,640
kind of vary it should be perked up and

622
00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:45,659
they should be going what we have

623
00:21:49,789 --> 00:21:48,600
material okay let's let's skip the signs

624
00:21:51,049 --> 00:21:49,799
we were talking about on the panel the

625
00:21:52,250 --> 00:21:51,059
other day and let's get a bit in that

626
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,260
material let's talk to some of those

627
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,480
people who were in those programs and

628
00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:55,919
working on different stuff because those

629
00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:57,480
scientists can probably have a really

630
00:22:01,730 --> 00:21:59,700
good idea of the implications of those

631
00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:01,740
things they can derive Knowledge from

632
00:22:05,210 --> 00:22:03,419
what was being worked on you know and

633
00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:05,220
apply it they don't need to see the

634
00:22:09,649 --> 00:22:07,620
whole craft and the whole caboodle to to

635
00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:09,659
do that so this is a really interesting

636
00:22:15,409 --> 00:22:11,700
moment it could be a leapfrog moment you

637
00:22:18,289 --> 00:22:15,419
know yeah so let me ask you Dan reasons

638
00:22:20,350 --> 00:22:18,299
to be cautious on this okay so cautious

639
00:22:23,090 --> 00:22:20,360
hat on for a moment why

640
00:22:26,270 --> 00:22:23,100
would anyone still look at this story

641
00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:26,280
and think right okay hold up hold up um

642
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,220
for the song why would you not want to

643
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,200
run 100 mils an hour with this one with

644
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:32,880
the whole up here's disclosure this is

645
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:35,760
it so essentially what we have is

646
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,880
someone telling us stories now he's put

647
00:22:42,289 --> 00:22:40,320
himself out there and he's you know

648
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,299
being deposed and kind of testified in

649
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,159
front of lawyers he's been sworn in to

650
00:22:48,110 --> 00:22:46,080
do this there's there's no real

651
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,120
incentive for him to lie here but that

652
00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:51,120
doesn't mean that he 100 isn't right uh

653
00:22:55,370 --> 00:22:53,340
we have to kind of be cautious there the

654
00:22:57,770 --> 00:22:55,380
the two things that were held as kind of

655
00:22:59,690 --> 00:22:57,780
making it a big deal was that doctor

656
00:23:01,070 --> 00:22:59,700
process that you already pointed out

657
00:23:03,409 --> 00:23:01,080
that skin walker book behind you went

658
00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:03,419
through as well um a thumbs up to talk

659
00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:04,860
about this stuff publicly does not mean

660
00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:07,020
that the dod agrees with what is being

661
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:08,460
said that's a different kind of ball

662
00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:11,520
game we also have the the Inspector

663
00:23:16,270 --> 00:23:14,220
General saying that this was deemed

664
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,280
credible and Urgent to be investigated

665
00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:18,960
now that again doesn't mean that they

666
00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:20,820
agree with what's being said it means

667
00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:22,860
that they're agreeing this if true is

668
00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:25,320
big and it needs to be investigated so

669
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,780
all of the big kind of you know the

670
00:23:31,250 --> 00:23:29,520
authorities that people would appeal to

671
00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:31,260
they're all kind of holding their tongue

672
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:32,520
a little bit and and saying you know

673
00:23:34,730 --> 00:23:33,600
we're going to investigate this we're

674
00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:34,740
going to take it seriously we're going

675
00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:35,940
to talk to all these people that David

676
00:23:41,330 --> 00:23:38,100
spoke to and look at what he's given us

677
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,340
until we get that report there's nothing

678
00:23:45,649 --> 00:23:43,200
really tangible for us to hold on to

679
00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:45,659
here but this certainly generates a lot

680
00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:47,280
of conversation in the public sphere and

681
00:23:51,169 --> 00:23:49,260
gets these ideas out there we've even

682
00:23:53,330 --> 00:23:51,179
seen the guardian and the Telegraph and

683
00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:53,340
these kind of big really you know

684
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,740
non-tablike newspapers pick this up so

685
00:23:59,090 --> 00:23:57,120
this is a really important part of the

686
00:24:01,310 --> 00:23:59,100
public conversation but ultimately

687
00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:01,320
until we have photos and videos and

688
00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:02,700
these people actually worked on these

689
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:05,400
programs coming forward uh it's it's

690
00:24:08,930 --> 00:24:07,380
hard to kind of say yeah definitively

691
00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:08,940
this is the moment like where I said

692
00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:11,340
it's a moment

693
00:24:15,049 --> 00:24:13,320
as you said the guardian my uh

694
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:15,059
notifications popped up on the desktop

695
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:16,559
and it was their Reddit quoting the

696
00:24:21,950 --> 00:24:20,159
guardian UFO effect nice nice timing

697
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:21,960
um yeah I think Ross himself on the

698
00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:24,480
podcast said that you know as fair and

699
00:24:28,130 --> 00:24:26,220
very fair of Ross to also say this

700
00:24:30,529 --> 00:24:28,140
because it's in the name of transparency

701
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,539
and all that uh David grush could turn

702
00:24:33,529 --> 00:24:31,919
around to the deal with d and say that

703
00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:33,539
he wanted to come forward with all the

704
00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:35,400
false allegations and technically could

705
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,280
still be permitted you know not to say

706
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:39,840
that that is the case but it was fair to

707
00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:41,640
us to confirm that but I don't believe

708
00:24:45,529 --> 00:24:43,320
that is the case

709
00:24:47,930 --> 00:24:45,539
um several big outlets for me as well

710
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:47,940
reasons to be cautious passing up on the

711
00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:50,640
story is a little bit of a hmm why would

712
00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:52,440
you not want this I'm sure they have the

713
00:24:57,049 --> 00:24:55,740
reasons that still a UFO story not that

714
00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:57,059
they haven't published it in the past

715
00:25:02,990 --> 00:24:59,159
but I think there's also been various

716
00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:03,000
reactions and again like you say would a

717
00:25:08,770 --> 00:25:05,700
major editor look at this and say yeah

718
00:25:10,850 --> 00:25:08,780
it's a senior official but it's a story

719
00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:10,860
can you give me photos can you give me

720
00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:13,380
proof and at the minute Norberg is so

721
00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:15,780
classified so they'll go I have to pass

722
00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:18,600
on it but I think on the flip side of

723
00:25:22,909 --> 00:25:20,700
that reasons to be optimistic Ross

724
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:22,919
himself said along with Leslie and Ralph

725
00:25:27,649 --> 00:25:24,600
they spent a lot of time like you said

726
00:25:30,169 --> 00:25:27,659
checking David grush's credibility

727
00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:30,179
this is what folks have wanted you know

728
00:25:35,930 --> 00:25:33,480
whistleblowers out on record and

729
00:25:39,169 --> 00:25:35,940
I can't think of any other journalists

730
00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:39,179
short of a Georgian app as well being

731
00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:40,620
able to bring folks like this forward

732
00:25:44,269 --> 00:25:42,360
and then our sins there have been a few

733
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,279
other people that have messaged have

734
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:45,600
said they've known about this for a few

735
00:25:49,610 --> 00:25:47,220
months themselves

736
00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:49,620
um I feel remember James Fox had said a

737
00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:51,179
few months ago he spoke to potential

738
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,440
whistleblowers when he was in Washington

739
00:25:55,610 --> 00:25:54,480
I wonder as Dave grish one of those

740
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,620
people

741
00:26:00,529 --> 00:25:58,080
you know potentially

742
00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:00,539
um but yeah I'm I'm optimistic on this

743
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:02,580
but for me it's where this could lead

744
00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:05,340
still this isn't disclosure this isn't

745
00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:07,380
it and I hate to see it but this is

746
00:26:10,430 --> 00:26:08,700
still something that in a couple of

747
00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:10,440
weeks people aren't talking about

748
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:12,659
anymore because it was just a thing that

749
00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:15,360
happened and and to go back to what we

750
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:17,159
said at the start then and I don't know

751
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:18,900
if this was just my ignition solo you

752
00:26:22,090 --> 00:26:21,120
said that you you agreed

753
00:26:24,409 --> 00:26:22,100
um

754
00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:24,419
I when I saw this it was like people

755
00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:27,000
blew up over it and I was like isn't

756
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:30,779
this just what Louis zondo did but Lou

757
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:33,480
Elizondo worked on the program

758
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,520
I get this guy was speaking to the

759
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,960
president was doing the briefings and

760
00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:38,880
seen loads of documents potentially even

761
00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:42,299
more documents in Louisville but

762
00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:46,620
I I missed why this was so different

763
00:26:50,029 --> 00:26:48,360
and again feel free to get in touch

764
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:50,039
folks and tell me or correct me on

765
00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:51,960
Twitter or whatever it might be but yeah

766
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,340
for me that was something that I was

767
00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:55,440
like ah that she's this just seems like

768
00:27:01,130 --> 00:26:59,400
excellent backup and a refresh of that

769
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:01,140
here's someone else come forward who's

770
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:03,240
worked on this stuff very recently

771
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:04,740
brilliant because people have been

772
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:06,900
clamoring for Lou to go back on socials

773
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:08,760
and it's a little bit more active and be

774
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:11,220
more vocal be more involved but yeah

775
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,960
what if David grish is the next guy to

776
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:15,360
get around some podcasts to you know go

777
00:27:18,890 --> 00:27:16,679
and do a Joe Rogan because I'm sure

778
00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:18,900
rogans he has a pricked up at this go

779
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,460
and do those big Outlets do those big

780
00:27:24,289 --> 00:27:22,080
interviews and talk about this in a big

781
00:27:25,970 --> 00:27:24,299
way so yeah I've just waffled on that

782
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,980
yeah no I I mean I totally agree with

783
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,080
you there you know Lou was in atip he

784
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:30,000
probably had a few leads uh the the

785
00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:32,400
uapcf guys we know that they were

786
00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:34,200
talking to kind of you know the previous

787
00:27:37,490 --> 00:27:35,820
team and getting some pointers and

788
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,500
things and Lou did say on the podcast

789
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,880
before you know

790
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,799
um he alluded to knowing where the

791
00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:42,240
programs were and knowing where to kick

792
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,340
the door down and to I think his words

793
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,080
were I wouldn't just break the door now

794
00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:48,720
and I'd rip the walls apart so he he

795
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:50,700
knows where these programs is so I've

796
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:52,260
got to assume that information was

797
00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:54,779
passed down the pipe to uaptf

798
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,279
um and that They carried on investigate

799
00:28:00,289 --> 00:27:58,320
and kind of found all these leads the

800
00:28:01,669 --> 00:28:00,299
interesting thing to me is that that

801
00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:01,679
information doesn't seem like it was

802
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:04,200
passed to aimsog or Arrow because

803
00:28:07,370 --> 00:28:05,700
they've all kind of said you know the

804
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,380
dod statement from Susan Goff on this

805
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:09,360
basically said IRA has no credible

806
00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:11,460
evidence of you know these things that

807
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,380
are being claimed and people rightly

808
00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:15,360
pointed out well what about you and PTF

809
00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:16,740
what about the other programs that

810
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:18,059
you've been running

811
00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:19,500
um it was a very cleverly worded

812
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:21,059
statement to kind of avoid the question

813
00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:22,799
as always

814
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:24,419
um so I I think there's probably a few

815
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:25,799
people with their hair on fire in the

816
00:28:29,690 --> 00:28:28,020
dod running around trying to kind of put

817
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:29,700
this fire out

818
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:32,279
um but it's been investigated you know

819
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:34,020
people are giving their positions people

820
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,700
are you know there are lawyers involved

821
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,440
that aren't the usual faces that we're

822
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:39,120
used to seeing

823
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:41,159
um really Heavy Hitters that you know

824
00:28:44,029 --> 00:28:42,360
seem to have careers and they had

825
00:28:47,210 --> 00:28:44,039
careers as Inspector Generals in the

826
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:47,220
past so this is this is to be be taken

827
00:28:51,769 --> 00:28:50,220
seriously for sure but it's you know the

828
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,779
snowball's being pushed down the hill

829
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:54,240
and it just gained a bunch of width and

830
00:28:58,490 --> 00:28:56,460
you know material on it but it's still

831
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,500
not the disclosure snowball

832
00:29:02,330 --> 00:29:00,000
no

833
00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:02,340
um a lot more news outlets in the last

834
00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:05,100
48 hours or 24 hours and last few hours

835
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,799
even have started picking this up

836
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,840
um even if it's just appeared on their

837
00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:12,240
website it wasn't before you know BBC

838
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:14,580
started looking at it as well

839
00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:17,760
um I think as the week goes on how well

840
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:19,980
received the full interview is that

841
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,559
releases through news nation and that

842
00:29:26,930 --> 00:29:24,240
could have a big impact on how much more

843
00:29:28,610 --> 00:29:26,940
the stories picked up on worldwide

844
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,620
um

845
00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:30,960
where to use right now because there is

846
00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:32,520
still more to come this week where do

847
00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:34,860
you see this going like what show could

848
00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:36,899
I got telling you

849
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,700
my guests telling me to be cautious you

850
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:40,559
know there's a weird aspect to this it's

851
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:43,020
kind of uh if it seems to be too good to

852
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:44,940
be true it usually is is kind of a play

853
00:29:48,889 --> 00:29:46,200
in my hand

854
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:48,899
um I'm trying not to get too excited but

855
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,520
it seems like it's generating

856
00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:52,320
conversation in the public sphere and

857
00:29:56,810 --> 00:29:54,179
yeah David coming out and saying this

858
00:29:59,330 --> 00:29:56,820
publicly was kind of designed to do that

859
00:30:01,490 --> 00:29:59,340
right to get attention on this

860
00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:01,500
um and we know from Lou's presentation

861
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,179
that he spoke about the Five Pillars one

862
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,760
of them was public conversation so we we

863
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:07,200
now have kind of a couple of pressure

864
00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:08,940
points in Congress Congressional

865
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:11,399
officials being asked about this

866
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:12,779
um a number of them are saying you know

867
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:14,340
this is incredible but they weren't in

868
00:30:18,769 --> 00:30:16,440
the briefings so

869
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,779
we should see a whole bunch more

870
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,399
statements being made by Congressional

871
00:30:22,909 --> 00:30:22,320
members by staffers

872
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:22,919
um

873
00:30:27,049 --> 00:30:25,320
kind of maybe not bringing credibility

874
00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:27,059
to it but at least Credence that they're

875
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,460
doing their due diligence and actually

876
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,440
investigating this

877
00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:33,360
hopefully some people are going to start

878
00:30:36,289 --> 00:30:34,980
asking about all these other kind of

879
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:36,299
whistleblowers that are being spoken

880
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:37,799
about in the wings

881
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,200
um Ross did say that if they try to

882
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,000
neutralize Mr grush don't worry there's

883
00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:44,640
more coming so yeah we could see you

884
00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:46,260
know essentially the story goes away and

885
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:47,460
another guy comes out and then that

886
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,020
story goes away and another guy comes

887
00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:51,600
out we're just rolling now the the train

888
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,360
is going as we like to say yeah I'd like

889
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:56,880
to thank this breakdowns part one and

890
00:31:00,669 --> 00:30:58,919
part two will be out next week

891
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:00,679
um

892
00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:03,480
yeah yeah discussing that

893
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:05,580
um I want to read an email Dan at the

894
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,320
minute from Nathan one of the listeners

895
00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:09,360
got in touch quite quickly after this

896
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:11,159
all dropped and so many of you did so

897
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,080
sorry if I've missed anything but I am

898
00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:15,840
getting back to people slowly uh Nathan

899
00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:16,860
says

900
00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:18,299
um I just wanted to provide some

901
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:19,980
American Civics context to today's

902
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:22,440
whistleblower announcement this dispatch

903
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,299
article seems coordinated with Chris

904
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,399
melon's political article from over the

905
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:29,039
weekend and the two articles same time

906
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,840
for release at a time when the news

907
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:33,120
cycle and the agenda of the U.S Congress

908
00:31:37,850 --> 00:31:35,880
are both empty Congress just passed a

909
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:37,860
requisite debt limit bill over this past

910
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:39,720
weekend and doesn't really have anything

911
00:31:44,269 --> 00:31:41,880
on its plate until the funding bills at

912
00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:44,279
the end of autumn moreover most members

913
00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:45,779
of Congress will start up their

914
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:47,940
re-election campaigns around that same

915
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,700
time after which very little will get

916
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:52,559
done in Congress until the new members

917
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,740
are sworn in in 2025. the drop on this

918
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:57,360
whistleblower seems very deliberately

919
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,399
timed to make it a priority for congress

920
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,679
this summer before any other major

921
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:04,080
events fill that space we have a public

922
00:32:07,370 --> 00:32:05,520
whistleblower saying he's given

923
00:32:09,889 --> 00:32:07,380
information about recovered vehicles to

924
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,899
Congress if he was able to say publicly

925
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:11,820
then every member of the committee who

926
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:13,980
received those reports should be able to

927
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:16,200
confirm if they received and if they

928
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:18,840
believe them to be factual looks to me

929
00:32:22,430 --> 00:32:20,340
like there's an intentional effort to

930
00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:22,440
get that to happen this summer if it

931
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:24,179
doesn't and I'm sure there are factions

932
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,220
who will work to stop it I'm afraid this

933
00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:28,320
disclosure project involving Elizondo

934
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:31,320
Merlin Nolan IQ Al should be set back or

935
00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:32,760
could be set back until at least after

936
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,399
the 2024 elections exciting times

937
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:37,200
regardless stairwell I like that

938
00:32:39,889 --> 00:32:38,340
sentiment at the end because yes

939
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,899
regardless of what you think exciting

940
00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:42,000
stuff thanks to Nathan but I don't think

941
00:32:45,529 --> 00:32:43,500
that's totally unfair is it that the

942
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,539
timing is this summer we've kept hearing

943
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:47,279
this summer of kept hearing June July

944
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:50,820
hearings whistleblowers big statements

945
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:53,279
and if it doesn't happen no I think we

946
00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:55,140
mentioned this didn't we where would we

947
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:56,520
be at the end of the summer if nothing

948
00:33:01,850 --> 00:32:59,760
happens then it makes sense that there

949
00:33:03,950 --> 00:33:01,860
may be a gap and I think and I hate to

950
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:03,960
say this there's always that the war in

951
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:05,880
Ukraine the tensions just rush out of

952
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:08,640
the US and China that could overshadow

953
00:33:13,009 --> 00:33:10,260
this and people some people listing

954
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,019
might go aliens UFOs non-human

955
00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:15,360
technology how can that overshadow be

956
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,100
overshadowed about war because it would

957
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,159
because it's more media right like it's

958
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,600
on the doorstep for people it's

959
00:33:25,549 --> 00:33:23,279
affecting them now as opposed to this

960
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:25,559
you know unless unless the visitors come

961
00:33:29,389 --> 00:33:27,480
out with disclosure which is unlikely

962
00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:29,399
you know uh it'll just be a bit of

963
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:31,260
knowledge versus people being killed

964
00:33:34,850 --> 00:33:33,000
people losing their homes do you know

965
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,860
Dan that I might have come up with one

966
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:36,480
of my favorite analogies just literally

967
00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:37,919
they are do you know what that reminds

968
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,140
me of is like do you remember in Batman

969
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,000
Forever one of the great Batman movies

970
00:33:45,649 --> 00:33:44,159
when uh right at the start and it was

971
00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:45,659
one of the most horrible moments in any

972
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:48,360
Batman film but it rings true is when

973
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:50,820
the Two-Face breaks into the circus and

974
00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:53,640
keld Robin's parents and he says I want

975
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:55,980
to know who Batman is and Val Kilmer in

976
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,419
the middle of the crowd stands up and

977
00:34:02,570 --> 00:33:59,519
starts shouting I'm Batman I'm Batman

978
00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:02,580
Harvey I'm Batman but no one notices and

979
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:04,019
they're all just running about scared

980
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,820
fleeing for their lives I like that and

981
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,159
there's Batman shouting here and Batman

982
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:10,800
Yoo-hoo it's me and no one knows no one

983
00:34:15,290 --> 00:34:13,260
can hear and it just passes that's it

984
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:15,300
and it that's it so you've got you know

985
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:17,159
the aliens they're going yeah yeah okay

986
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:19,560
we're here but everyone else is going ah

987
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:22,500
good Ukraine oh no Global economies

988
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:25,260
crashing Apple's no headsets out ah so

989
00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:27,240
yeah yeah I think that's really

990
00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:28,919
pertinent and most importantly I can now

991
00:34:32,690 --> 00:34:30,359
put Batman in the tags for when people

992
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,700
search this show yeah another important

993
00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:34,560
point with this is uh essentially what

994
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,820
we were saying about gillibrand after

995
00:34:38,570 --> 00:34:37,440
the hearings where we were kind of

996
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:38,580
saying that she wasn't really following

997
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,020
up with any hard-hitting questions and

998
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:42,000
things like that we've learned with this

999
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:43,980
that she would have heard all of this

1000
00:34:47,329 --> 00:34:45,060
testimony

1001
00:34:49,210 --> 00:34:47,339
so you've got to wonder where were those

1002
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,220
questions to Sean Kirkpatrick about

1003
00:34:54,829 --> 00:34:51,839
investigating the these kind of claims

1004
00:34:57,650 --> 00:34:54,839
they weren't brought up and so I feel

1005
00:34:59,329 --> 00:34:57,660
suddenly like this info is being sat on

1006
00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:59,339
um by some of the faces that we kind of

1007
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:01,500
see publicly talking about UAP and and

1008
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,300
that's a that's a little red flag for me

1009
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:05,520
I I you know were wondering if some

1010
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:08,640
politicians are a bit more dedicated to

1011
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,619
using this as a as a vote issue as

1012
00:35:14,089 --> 00:35:12,240
opposed to an issue they care about you

1013
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:14,099
know I hope it's not the case but

1014
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:15,720
there's a little part of me that's just

1015
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:17,220
like yeah that was weird they really

1016
00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:18,119
should have brought that up with

1017
00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:19,380
Kirkpatrick when he said there's no

1018
00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:20,760
credible evidence but what about David

1019
00:35:26,329 --> 00:35:23,160
what about this you know yeah for me

1020
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,339
this is a big one that can either be

1021
00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:29,280
Philly given the green light Thumbs Up

1022
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:31,260
by those in Congress to say you know

1023
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:33,240
thanks for coming forward true hero true

1024
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,339
patriot this this has been very helpful

1025
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:37,920
or it needs to be shot down as why it's

1026
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:40,380
utter nonsense because even if one thing

1027
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:41,940
he said is correct and true about all

1028
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:44,220
this in relation to UFO stuff not that

1029
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:45,599
his name is David grush and he walked an

1030
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:48,480
Intel off that's that's by the bay but

1031
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:50,700
then that not that it's fine but that's

1032
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:52,020
all we need because it's that whole

1033
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:53,400
thing of you know it just takes one case

1034
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:55,020
to be correct yeah

1035
00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:56,640
um if he had been fed a lot of

1036
00:36:01,010 --> 00:35:58,440
disinformation deliberately because of

1037
00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:01,020
the role he was in it just takes one of

1038
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:03,000
those things to give the Congress a lead

1039
00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:05,220
to go forward with this

1040
00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:07,140
um someone's just mentioned on on

1041
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:08,520
Twitter I've noticed that it was a

1042
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:10,260
flashback for them when when I spoke to

1043
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:12,119
Ross a few months ago and he talked

1044
00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:14,520
about the US military stealing a fully

1045
00:36:18,829 --> 00:36:16,920
intact UFO from under gunpoint from the

1046
00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:18,839
Mexican Army that was left do you

1047
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,220
remember that with the lights on and the

1048
00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:22,320
door opened comment

1049
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,359
um and I even remember was that Ross on

1050
00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:25,680
was it when they were speaking to Sean

1051
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,140
Rash and he said people will say son

1052
00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:31,020
Orozco the things you know yeah do you

1053
00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:32,579
want to say in unison or Rosco the

1054
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,640
things you knew I mean

1055
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,680
yeah I I mean that may have been before

1056
00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:39,599
and after or even about that same time

1057
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,920
wasn't it

1058
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,440
um but yeah that's that's a fair point I

1059
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:45,359
asked people Dan

1060
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:46,680
um if you've got any other points you

1061
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,820
want to make on this quickly because I'm

1062
00:36:53,569 --> 00:36:49,760
just going to find a tweet

1063
00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:53,579
uh no I I guess I mean there's so much

1064
00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:54,900
to talk about with it you know we we

1065
00:36:57,410 --> 00:36:56,220
could almost go somewhere blue in the

1066
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,420
face here

1067
00:37:01,550 --> 00:36:59,760
um yeah ultimately it's it's how how

1068
00:37:03,050 --> 00:37:01,560
credible do you think this is and and

1069
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:03,060
it's gonna vary for everyone you know

1070
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:04,560
for some people this will be enough to

1071
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:06,180
say this is disclosure and for other

1072
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,579
people it's still not enough

1073
00:37:12,109 --> 00:37:10,320
um but I've seen a lot of a lot of

1074
00:37:13,069 --> 00:37:12,119
scientists and personalities on Twitter

1075
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:13,079
to picking this up that haven't

1076
00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:15,119
previously spoken about it so it's

1077
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,859
interesting that this is causing such a

1078
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:19,200
public wave and especially that a lot of

1079
00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:21,240
the Publications who passed on this

1080
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,920
story are now picking it up because it's

1081
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:24,720
getting traction you know whether it's

1082
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,079
for clicks or not uh the point is that

1083
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:30,960
the word is spreading right yeah Ross

1084
00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:34,140
Kill tax interview is out this Sunday 9

1085
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,800
p.m 9 p.m Pacific 8 P.M Central

1086
00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:39,839
um Ross said himself on Twitter I regard

1087
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,700
this as the most important interview I

1088
00:37:46,609 --> 00:37:43,920
have ever recorded what David grish will

1089
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,619
reveal on news nation is shocking and

1090
00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:49,200
demands action from Congress big letters

1091
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:51,540
we Are Not Alone

1092
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,960
um I asked on the twitterverstan uh so

1093
00:37:59,390 --> 00:37:56,880
where are we all at yeah where are we

1094
00:38:00,650 --> 00:37:59,400
all where are all the at folks uh I had

1095
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,660
a busy day I'm just looking for some

1096
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:03,119
summary and just thoughts on how this is

1097
00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:04,800
all playing out

1098
00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:06,599
um interestingly the first person that

1099
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:09,300
applied was Jack sarfati um who who'd

1100
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:11,400
retreated one of his own tweets and uh

1101
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:14,880
thank you for that Jack yeah hi

1102
00:38:18,349 --> 00:38:15,960
um

1103
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:18,359
strafe Wilson said I would have liked

1104
00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:19,800
Ross to have stopped the interview and

1105
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,300
directly asked him which other countries

1106
00:38:26,329 --> 00:38:23,760
because if it's only friendly countries

1107
00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:26,339
and not Russia then potentially arose

1108
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:29,400
fair enough Klaus it's still kryptos

1109
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:32,640
thanks thank you there wasn't just a

1110
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:33,960
touch on that while we're talking about

1111
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,200
Klaus there wasn't little news thing

1112
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:39,839
yesterday with Lee burger or Burger uh

1113
00:38:47,630 --> 00:38:45,890
um presenting a bunch of the findings

1114
00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:47,640
from the cave that would kind of beyond

1115
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:49,500
what what was available when Klaus was

1116
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:51,480
talking and

1117
00:38:56,990 --> 00:38:54,300
essentially they they found that these

1118
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:57,000
humans one smaller brains still is you

1119
00:39:00,290 --> 00:38:58,680
know used fire but it seemed like they

1120
00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:00,300
were taken fire down into the caves

1121
00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:02,820
whilst they were using tools to dig and

1122
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:04,920
to do actual proper burials for people

1123
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,020
which is we talking hundreds of

1124
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:09,119
thousands of years earlier than our

1125
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,400
kind of previous case for that as well

1126
00:39:14,930 --> 00:39:12,960
as they found kind of inscriptions in

1127
00:39:17,329 --> 00:39:14,940
the walls so they think that humans will

1128
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:17,339
communicating much earlier with symbols

1129
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:19,320
and language and things like that and if

1130
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:20,820
you're going into like these caves that

1131
00:39:24,109 --> 00:39:22,200
you had to crawl through to get in

1132
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:24,119
there's got to be communication there to

1133
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,700
stay safe so the implication is that

1134
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:29,520
there was a species like us that wasn't

1135
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:32,400
us that was using language and was much

1136
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:33,960
further ahead of the curve so you've got

1137
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:35,400
to wonder what that would look like if

1138
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:36,780
some of those stayed around and maybe

1139
00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:39,240
built technology before we did

1140
00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:41,579
interesting

1141
00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:43,859
um some of those statement uh sentiments

1142
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:45,420
and Echoes as well on on Twitter I

1143
00:39:48,829 --> 00:39:46,619
wouldn't read all the comments it was

1144
00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:48,839
about 100 but um Nathan says it feels

1145
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:50,579
like the start of something new need to

1146
00:39:53,870 --> 00:39:52,140
ride the wave of publicity and make

1147
00:39:55,790 --> 00:39:53,880
actions on the hill of reality and I

1148
00:39:57,230 --> 00:39:55,800
think we've both echoed that it's what

1149
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,240
happens off the back of this which can

1150
00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:59,760
be big because very very easily in a

1151
00:40:02,030 --> 00:40:00,839
couple of weeks time we could all be

1152
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:02,040
saying what happened with that yeah

1153
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,140
nothing you know there's still been

1154
00:40:07,609 --> 00:40:06,000
things like Toyota Stars giving the US

1155
00:40:09,730 --> 00:40:07,619
government a piece of alleged crash

1156
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:09,740
material and it all just went quiet

1157
00:40:14,030 --> 00:40:12,180
there still have been those moments

1158
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:14,040
where things have looked like they were

1159
00:40:17,930 --> 00:40:16,320
heating up and it's just gone quiet or

1160
00:40:20,810 --> 00:40:17,940
cold or for whatever reason something

1161
00:40:22,849 --> 00:40:20,820
comes out so you do have to be fair

1162
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:22,859
um Montana said still like the extra

1163
00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:25,380
tempestral hypothesis uh Michael Masters

1164
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:27,720
on the podcast in a few weeks uh Jamie

1165
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,460
says I see this only going one way

1166
00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:31,680
capital D disclosure

1167
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:33,540
um and three days ago I thought we were

1168
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,880
decades behind ferra's Mission uh I

1169
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:37,200
don't know how we'll get out of this one

1170
00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:39,180
like Ryan grave said this is why

1171
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:41,339
Congress set the UAP hearings up to

1172
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,020
hopefully get this kind of info they

1173
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:44,880
have to act on it so there's an act on

1174
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,220
it again and just as such on there there

1175
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:48,960
have been some comments from officials

1176
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:50,700
from Congress members from committee

1177
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,740
members that hearings are in the

1178
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:54,000
planning there are going to be more

1179
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,560
hearings and they're the ones that we

1180
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,880
should hopefully see a couple of you

1181
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,560
know pilots and people that say they're

1182
00:41:02,270 --> 00:41:00,480
in these programs testifying publicly

1183
00:41:04,130 --> 00:41:02,280
about what they know as opposed to it

1184
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,140
just being you know Arrow or Aim so

1185
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,480
people kind of moving the goal posts

1186
00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:08,400
every two seconds I mean when did a

1187
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:09,720
pilot so I wanted a craft would be

1188
00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:11,160
fantastic wouldn't it but you really

1189
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:13,020
would yeah if it has to be human then

1190
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:15,720
fair enough future future day forever I

1191
00:41:19,069 --> 00:41:16,740
think

1192
00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:19,079
um Gaz says sadly lots of words but

1193
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,480
frustratingly yet again no concrete

1194
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:23,520
evidence whistleblower or grandiosity

1195
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:25,500
I'm hoping the first Fair comment

1196
00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:27,960
because it's not totally untrue

1197
00:41:32,089 --> 00:41:30,300
um Lily Pad she says I'm cautiously

1198
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:32,099
optimistic this might be the Catalyst

1199
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,079
that finally starts real disclosure I

1200
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:36,000
think David grish is very brave and a

1201
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,920
true hero for coming forward and only

1202
00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:40,079
hope people come out with this okay I

1203
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:41,579
believe others will be be following in

1204
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,740
his footsteps Lily Pad I have just

1205
00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:46,560
opened up your Tweet and it is huge so

1206
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:48,359
I'll cut that one off there I didn't

1207
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:49,980
realize you you pay for the Blue Tech

1208
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,020
clip yourselves Lily had to touch on

1209
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,000
something important there it makes me

1210
00:41:58,010 --> 00:41:56,400
think of you know when Trent came out

1211
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:58,020
and there was harassment almost

1212
00:42:02,510 --> 00:41:59,640
immediately from certain segments for

1213
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:02,520
the of the community and whether you

1214
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,960
believe David grush or not you know we

1215
00:42:07,550 --> 00:42:05,520
touched on it with the NASA thing don't

1216
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:07,560
harass people you know we want these

1217
00:42:10,609 --> 00:42:09,240
people to talk about it all we do if we

1218
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:10,619
do that is make sure that other people

1219
00:42:14,690 --> 00:42:12,839
aren't coming forward to talk so yeah

1220
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:14,700
let's let's consider it a catalyst and

1221
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,740
hold it lightly and see where it goes

1222
00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:18,720
yeah Oliver would said I could sum this

1223
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:21,000
up in a single sentence we have shifted

1224
00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:22,920
into next gear

1225
00:42:27,530 --> 00:42:25,619
um Jay says uh Jay McCabe I think

1226
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:27,540
archaeologist Anthropologist and

1227
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:28,920
psychologists are going to have their

1228
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:30,900
what cut out um out for them for the

1229
00:42:35,089 --> 00:42:33,660
next several decades and and thank you

1230
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:35,099
to everyone else who left a comment

1231
00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:36,420
there are loads more on there if people

1232
00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:38,280
want to go in and check that check that

1233
00:42:42,589 --> 00:42:40,740
tweet from the twitterverse did you um

1234
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,599
did you see the there was an article

1235
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:45,839
about uh Virgin uh space efforts their

1236
00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:47,400
stock price actually went oh yeah after

1237
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:49,500
this news came out aggressively

1238
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:51,420
apparently aggressively aggressively

1239
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,220
yeah so so we're already seeing this

1240
00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:54,960
news effect markets you know this is

1241
00:42:58,970 --> 00:42:57,180
this is but a small preview of what

1242
00:43:01,609 --> 00:42:58,980
would happen if everything just came out

1243
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,619
on the table you know absolutely

1244
00:43:04,430 --> 00:43:03,119
um it's looking good news Nations

1245
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,440
covered coverage has been quite

1246
00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:06,480
substantial and I'm guessing news Nation

1247
00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:09,660
as a smaller emerging news organization

1248
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:11,940
yeah are enjoying the hats and the

1249
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:13,980
coverage and seeing that that's as a pro

1250
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,680
um a story worth getting on board with

1251
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,480
um I I spoke to a journalist from the

1252
00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:20,400
the Glasgow Herald last week

1253
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,440
um and the article was published um Andy

1254
00:43:26,690 --> 00:43:24,960
mcgivern as the name of the person who's

1255
00:43:28,730 --> 00:43:26,700
named in the article then they got my

1256
00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:28,740
surname badly wrong but hey ho

1257
00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:30,900
um it was really interesting speaking to

1258
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,380
her because the journalist she was quite

1259
00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:36,960
new to having any interest in the UFO

1260
00:43:41,450 --> 00:43:39,720
subject and it was very much dipping our

1261
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,460
toe in the water conversation when we

1262
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,920
spoke she was very you know why is this

1263
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:45,839
you know happening and what's been going

1264
00:43:49,069 --> 00:43:47,460
on and the NASA stuff and they're really

1265
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:49,079
looking for more and more information on

1266
00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:52,020
it same today I had BBC 5 live one of

1267
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,300
The Producers there for me asking for a

1268
00:43:57,470 --> 00:43:55,920
chat about this before I'm going to go

1269
00:43:59,569 --> 00:43:57,480
on tomorrow and speak on five live for

1270
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,579
sure um in the morning

1271
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:01,440
um but again on the radio they're

1272
00:44:05,569 --> 00:44:04,440
starting to ask you know this UFO stuff

1273
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:05,579
what's happening because they're

1274
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:07,740
starting to see and this is because

1275
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,200
people listening to this are liking

1276
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:12,000
retweeting or sharing articles they're

1277
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:13,440
talking to their friends about it online

1278
00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:15,540
they're liking the stuff on Facebook

1279
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:18,060
sharing it on Instagram just having that

1280
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:19,680
chat and conversation and all of that

1281
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:20,839
makes a difference to the point

1282
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,859
journalists are literally going on and

1283
00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:25,200
I've had journalists speak to me and

1284
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:28,200
quote random members of Twitter to say I

1285
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:30,300
saw someone tweet this and it's not

1286
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,460
someone famous no big celebrity just

1287
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:35,040
someone on Twitter with 50 followers and

1288
00:44:38,270 --> 00:44:36,480
that's how a journalist came across it

1289
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,280
so it really does make a difference when

1290
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:40,319
we say not just share the podcast like

1291
00:44:44,569 --> 00:44:42,300
the podcast share someone's art share an

1292
00:44:46,010 --> 00:44:44,579
article it does in the grand scheme of

1293
00:44:49,210 --> 00:44:46,020
things make a huge huge huge difference

1294
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:49,220
to to folks looking for this information

1295
00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:51,780
and we're talking before about you know

1296
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:53,400
this is all happening as we've got this

1297
00:44:57,050 --> 00:44:55,319
massive connected world that you know we

1298
00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:57,060
can immediately give gratification with

1299
00:45:02,030 --> 00:44:58,920
a tweet or you know a Facebook post or

1300
00:45:03,230 --> 00:45:02,040
something new travels fast and and this

1301
00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:03,240
is the result of that you know with

1302
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:04,619
snowballing and spreading it's hitting

1303
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:06,060
so many different countries at the same

1304
00:45:10,430 --> 00:45:09,300
time uh yeah it's exciting it's exciting

1305
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,440
there's so many new people are looking

1306
00:45:15,290 --> 00:45:12,960
at it speaking of new people looking at

1307
00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:15,300
the UFO topic and doing great work Dr

1308
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:17,640
Steven Greer Dan this weekend has

1309
00:45:22,849 --> 00:45:21,359
disclosure 2.0 uh the return of

1310
00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:22,859
disclosure

1311
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:25,319
um this time it's Personnel yeah yeah

1312
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:26,520
there we go

1313
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:27,180
um

1314
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,220
Bijou or be serious I don't know

1315
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:30,480
something like that

1316
00:45:33,770 --> 00:45:32,520
um what do you make of Dr Greer because

1317
00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:33,780
obviously we've seen this statement come

1318
00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:35,700
out from Dr gear claiming he mentored

1319
00:45:40,609 --> 00:45:37,859
David grish David grish has then come

1320
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:40,619
out and said utter nonsense so you know

1321
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,420
believe who you want there

1322
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:43,920
um I'm just presenting the the

1323
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:45,720
information people can take it to that

1324
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:46,920
what they will

1325
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:48,900
that that's pretty diamond for Stephen

1326
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,359
Greer isn't it and then he's got this

1327
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:54,000
conference which to be fair I still

1328
00:45:58,849 --> 00:45:55,980
don't know a whole lot about and I don't

1329
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,859
know if you do either as to what this is

1330
00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:00,720
meant to be for all we've heard is that

1331
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,520
it's going to involve whistleblowers

1332
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:04,800
it's going to involve testimony and it's

1333
00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:05,940
like well

1334
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:07,740
like what because here's here's someone

1335
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,200
come forward and look how much duress

1336
00:46:14,329 --> 00:46:12,000
they've been under to put this out in an

1337
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:14,339
official way and look how it's blown up

1338
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:17,220
online whereas Dr Greer has arranged a

1339
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:18,900
conference and is he going to March out

1340
00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:20,280
five other whistleblowers like David

1341
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:22,200
grish who have all just waited for

1342
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:24,900
Steven's conference exactly and and

1343
00:46:29,809 --> 00:46:27,300
we've got to wonder as well what kind of

1344
00:46:31,930 --> 00:46:29,819
checks as Stephen Greer kind of made on

1345
00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:31,940
on the people that he's he's platforming

1346
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,300
dollars probably you know we we have Tim

1347
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:37,920
and the team of debrief and Leslie and

1348
00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:39,480
Ralph and you know there's so much

1349
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,400
background tracking going on here they

1350
00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:42,960
almost can't believe it themselves that

1351
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:44,760
these things are being said and they're

1352
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,900
you know just presenting the information

1353
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,280
I have to confirming these people out

1354
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:49,200
who they say they are with Stephen Greer

1355
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:51,420
we know that he'll speak to someone at a

1356
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:53,160
dinner table and awkwardly mention UFOs

1357
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:55,740
and then call it a briefing so how much

1358
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:57,480
weight is it actually gonna bring his

1359
00:47:00,349 --> 00:46:58,980
past efforts with the national Press

1360
00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:00,359
Club hearings you know the mock

1361
00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:02,700
disclosure hearings were great but

1362
00:47:06,109 --> 00:47:04,140
you've got to wonder if we've just moved

1363
00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:06,119
past that now you know we're no longer

1364
00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:08,339
in the realm of oh hey let's have a

1365
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:09,960
bunch of UFO people meet in a room and

1366
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,000
talk and we're now into the realm of

1367
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,160
yeah this guy's out there talking about

1368
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:16,079
non-human Intelligence on better

1369
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:18,900
platforms and dissociating with people

1370
00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:20,520
like Greer

1371
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:22,020
um that for a lot of people brings

1372
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,280
credibility

1373
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,440
so yeah you've got to wonder what what's

1374
00:47:29,630 --> 00:47:27,359
what's the use for it I mean I'll still

1375
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,640
watch what Greer has to present and

1376
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,160
wonder but is everyone there gonna be

1377
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,800
like Anjali or is everyone they're going

1378
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,440
to be like David right yeah it's it's

1379
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:39,119
one of those things and oh God for the

1380
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:40,560
love of God I'm even

1381
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,180
should I even see this for the feet of

1382
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:43,920
upset and someone again like happened in

1383
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,560
the past but you know on on the day

1384
00:47:49,490 --> 00:47:48,000
that's all dropped I was people had

1385
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,500
asked about putting up a podcast and it

1386
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:50,880
would have happened had our schedules

1387
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:52,140
been much better but I was going to just

1388
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,880
put out a breaking news one anyway I

1389
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,440
wanted to just get out there for people

1390
00:47:59,569 --> 00:47:57,839
who hadn't seen the news quick 5-10

1391
00:48:02,329 --> 00:47:59,579
minutes but then even thinking that I

1392
00:48:04,609 --> 00:48:02,339
was like this is Leslie Kane Ralph

1393
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:04,619
blumenthal's article this is Ross

1394
00:48:08,809 --> 00:48:07,020
cultart and Bray Sables podcast an

1395
00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:08,819
interview they have done the work they

1396
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,380
should be getting the credit at least on

1397
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:12,480
that day let them have it otherwise

1398
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:14,819
you'd just end up potentially watering

1399
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,980
down where people should be looking and

1400
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:18,480
it was important and I'm still telling

1401
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,920
you if you have not watched or read that

1402
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:21,599
yet if you're listening to this and some

1403
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,400
of you will be thanks for that right for

1404
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,680
some reason you like listening to us go

1405
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:27,599
and still watch Ross and Bryce's podcast

1406
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,880
listen to them talk about it and discuss

1407
00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:32,400
it and go and read the article of course

1408
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,020
from Leslie and Ralph as well because

1409
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:36,000
those are the folks that have done the

1410
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:37,980
work then listen to people like us talk

1411
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:40,140
it down review it break it down

1412
00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:41,940
um and I think it's just important like

1413
00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:43,500
you say and you make that point that

1414
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,140
right now this really does need to be

1415
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:48,960
the focus and whether that's Skeptics

1416
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:52,020
debunkers hardcore UFO investigators

1417
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:54,000
people from miffon journalists

1418
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:56,220
everything in between this really needs

1419
00:49:00,650 --> 00:48:58,200
to be the focus because it's quite a

1420
00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:00,660
meaty thing

1421
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:04,440
to be there and like you say

1422
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:07,380
do we need that right now if I announced

1423
00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:11,579
you know this weekend uh 9 p.m 8 P.M

1424
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,319
Central I'm going to do a live stream

1425
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,079
and I'm going to get a few um people on

1426
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:19,440
who claim to have been in Antarctica and

1427
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,940
who needs to whistleblower don't watch

1428
00:49:25,849 --> 00:49:22,800
David grush's thing listen to me talk

1429
00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:25,859
about this it's just capitalizing on a

1430
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,099
big thing and I don't know if

1431
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:31,680
Stephen Greer's confidence like you say

1432
00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:34,740
is necessarily required right now I I

1433
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:37,380
let's be fair coincidental timing wise I

1434
00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:39,060
doubt he'd knew this was coming out yeah

1435
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,859
absolutely unless he was mentoring David

1436
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,960
Grisham David told them

1437
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:44,240
um

1438
00:49:48,410 --> 00:49:46,980
coincidence as well in the this week's

1439
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,420
episode of Skinwalker Ranch has Jay

1440
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:50,400
Stratton who was head of the uaptf when

1441
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,260
David was involved with it

1442
00:49:56,030 --> 00:49:54,000
um appearing on the ranch and supposedly

1443
00:49:57,890 --> 00:49:56,040
there's a amount sphere that appears in

1444
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:57,900
the episode I've yet to see it but again

1445
00:50:01,309 --> 00:49:59,700
coincidental timing you know these

1446
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,319
things tend to happen but you're

1447
00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:03,119
absolutely right you know Steven Greer

1448
00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:05,220
doesn't bring more Credence to this more

1449
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:06,780
people kind of to say and I'm a

1450
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:07,680
whistleblower doesn't bring more

1451
00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:08,940
acquaintance to this it's the

1452
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,619
surrounding circumstances around what

1453
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,000
David is saying the fact is being

1454
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:14,160
investigate the fact that he testified

1455
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,839
under oath

1456
00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:17,760
um almost deposed for you know so many

1457
00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:19,380
hours and we've already seen Ross's

1458
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,760
interview is really extensive and he's

1459
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:23,040
asking really direct questions

1460
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,780
um this this needs to stand on its own

1461
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,880
two feet as people digest really what it

1462
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:28,800
means because there's a lot do you know

1463
00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:30,420
what's really really interesting so

1464
00:50:36,050 --> 00:50:32,339
Stephen Greer's tweet um actually he

1465
00:50:37,970 --> 00:50:36,060
tweeted an hour ago uh I see he tweeted

1466
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:37,980
someone tweeted from Stephen Greer's

1467
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:39,660
account Dr Greer met with this

1468
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:41,400
whistleblower picture David grish in

1469
00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:44,280
March 2022 in Culpepper Virginia and has

1470
00:50:47,870 --> 00:50:45,420
been providing him with information

1471
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,880
about facilities and operations here are

1472
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:48,960
some links

1473
00:50:53,630 --> 00:50:52,260
of all the people and James iandoli who

1474
00:50:55,549 --> 00:50:53,640
I've spoken to and who is a big

1475
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:55,559
proponent of Dr Steven Greer especially

1476
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,720
in the past he's just tweeted saying

1477
00:51:02,089 --> 00:51:00,000
it's always all about Greer Messiah

1478
00:51:03,410 --> 00:51:02,099
complex on full display please please be

1479
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,420
mindful when seeing this kind of

1480
00:51:07,069 --> 00:51:05,520
attention seeking and messaging take an

1481
00:51:09,049 --> 00:51:07,079
honest look at David Charles gross's

1482
00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:09,059
credentials and ask yourself does this

1483
00:51:12,589 --> 00:51:10,440
man need Steven Gear's assistance

1484
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,599
absolutely not and that's very well put

1485
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,119
from from James Island whether you like

1486
00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:17,040
Stephen gray or not it doesn't need to

1487
00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:18,300
be getting involved in this and that

1488
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,819
seems like a huge attention grab yeah I

1489
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,280
completely agree we don't need to give

1490
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,960
Stephen Greer a spotlight here we need

1491
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:26,400
to be looking at what David's saying

1492
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:27,900
essentially Greer is doing what we're

1493
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:29,160
doing right

1494
00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:30,180
um

1495
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:32,460
David's already like a secondary source

1496
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,540
for for a lot of this information

1497
00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:35,520
because he didn't directly see it if

1498
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,319
you're listening to us we're a tush

1499
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:39,119
resource and it kind of dilutes from

1500
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,500
there which is why people should

1501
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:42,480
absolutely go and listen to David

1502
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,760
talking and even though that seven hour

1503
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:46,559
interview will be long it's worth

1504
00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:48,180
people's time you know

1505
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:49,740
um we all notice different things in

1506
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:52,020
these things too so uh you know someone

1507
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:53,520
out there could listen to it and pick up

1508
00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:55,079
on something really important that no

1509
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,180
one else in the community came across so

1510
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,520
yeah always go to the sources as much as

1511
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:01,440
you can and you know what to not end on

1512
00:52:04,609 --> 00:52:02,760
agree or bashing it would have been

1513
00:52:06,349 --> 00:52:04,619
interesting if Stephen Grier just came

1514
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:06,359
out and gave like a small video or short

1515
00:52:10,730 --> 00:52:08,040
video of his actual genuine thoughts on

1516
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,740
this rather than trying to get in there

1517
00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:13,200
and see if if David grish hadn't came

1518
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:15,540
out and very quickly the whole thing it

1519
00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:16,859
may have stood with some weight behind

1520
00:52:20,030 --> 00:52:18,540
it but it clearly doesn't because we're

1521
00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:20,040
going to say David grish isn't lying

1522
00:52:22,609 --> 00:52:21,300
because that would be an odd thing to

1523
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:22,619
lie about so

1524
00:52:27,410 --> 00:52:25,859
yeah I yeah absolutely I'm looking

1525
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,420
forward to seeing David hopefully open

1526
00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:30,000
up with a couple more interviews

1527
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:32,220
um but there's a

1528
00:52:35,450 --> 00:52:33,720
remember when Stratton came out and he

1529
00:52:38,210 --> 00:52:35,460
started talking and it was a alien con

1530
00:52:40,609 --> 00:52:38,220
uh yeah you know we had a conversation

1531
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:40,619
of does that platform in itself kind of

1532
00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:42,540
dilute what he's saying

1533
00:52:45,170 --> 00:52:43,380
um

1534
00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:45,180
I feel like maybe David talking on

1535
00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:46,380
Greer's platform would have done the

1536
00:52:49,790 --> 00:52:48,300
same thing so I'm glad that he's stuck

1537
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,800
with Leslie and Ralph I'm glad that he

1538
00:52:53,450 --> 00:52:51,599
stuck with the guys at the debrief many

1539
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,460
people may not know the debrief but you

1540
00:52:57,049 --> 00:52:54,960
know they're dedicated they do seller

1541
00:52:59,089 --> 00:52:57,059
work and and they're a great Bunch so

1542
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:59,099
I'm excited for them and I'm excited to

1543
00:53:02,089 --> 00:53:00,480
see where they take this

1544
00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:02,099
and there's certainly a hell of a lot

1545
00:53:05,089 --> 00:53:03,720
more people know the debrief now after

1546
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:05,099
this today

1547
00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:06,480
um that I think it's fair to say but

1548
00:53:11,630 --> 00:53:09,180
we'll wrap it there for for part one

1549
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,640
um and can I just ask that people do go

1550
00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:13,760
and check out the article uh on the

1551
00:53:18,829 --> 00:53:16,500
debrief.org the interview on need to

1552
00:53:20,450 --> 00:53:18,839
know with Ross and Bryce and also the

1553
00:53:22,849 --> 00:53:20,460
news Nation piece which is online as

1554
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:22,859
well um and the foreground ones as well

1555
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:24,540
uh but all the links will put in the

1556
00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:26,040
description yeah yeah you guys can read

1557
00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:28,440
them yeah and Dan fairy say this is a

1558
00:53:32,089 --> 00:53:30,660
really fantastic jumping on point for a

1559
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:32,099
lot of people including those in the

1560
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:34,740
media who who want to pick up on the UFO

1561
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,020
story and it it really gives me the

1562
00:53:41,809 --> 00:53:39,119
feeling that if this doesn't make them

1563
00:53:44,990 --> 00:53:41,819
do it I mean what will because this is

1564
00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:45,000
you know this is looking like we'll

1565
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,140
frame it as

1566
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:49,200
hard facts and a senior member

1567
00:53:54,109 --> 00:53:51,200
intelligence official came out

1568
00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:54,119
blunderbussel I've got UFOs I've got

1569
00:53:58,609 --> 00:53:56,760
better of them we've got bodies

1570
00:53:59,809 --> 00:53:58,619
you know the stuffs there we could just

1571
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:59,819
have to go and find it and he can tell

1572
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,160
Congress where it is if they don't get

1573
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:04,079
involved now then it literally has to be

1574
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:06,079
aliens on the White House lawn

1575
00:54:11,690 --> 00:54:10,260
yeah I I would say that's fair this is a

1576
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,700
much more realistic slow roll of

1577
00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:13,440
disclosure you know going for the

1578
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:14,940
receipts and the checks and balances as

1579
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,440
opposed to just these big dramatic

1580
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,000
sweeps that probably won't ever happen

1581
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:19,920
like crash material on the White House

1582
00:54:23,809 --> 00:54:20,880
alone

1583
00:54:25,849 --> 00:54:23,819
and to quote a very very good movie that

1584
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:25,859
I've seen very recently and it blew me

1585
00:54:30,589 --> 00:54:28,740
away to be continued that is all for

1586
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:30,599
this week's show thank you very much for

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00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:32,700
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they thought this was noise

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[Music]

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centered time consider your space

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consider your lies consider your life

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considering your eyes

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experience

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thank you